Debbie meets author Clare Jacob


Clare Jacob Barrister to author – Clare Jacob's story
Now it's not often you hear someone say they trained to be a writer by becoming a barrister. But lovely Clare Jacob did just that. Her new book is 'Ophelia in Pieces' and if you liked the law TV programmes 'Silk' or 'The Good Wife' then you'll love this debut novel.

Why do you try a new author? Usually? Think about it. Is it because the subject matter resonates? In which case, how about woman whose home-life is turned upside down when husband has affair, coupled with troublesome son, coupled with work-life falling apart. Ringing any bells so far? We all know people who've been in those positions even if we haven't. So why read Clare's take on it all?

Because she's funny, and has some lovely turns of phrase. The sort of vocabulary which makes you feel as though you've eaten a blueberry muffin washed down with a warm cup of tea. Music for the psyche.

For instance…
           "Your dad used to call my hair 'the golden threads that bound his heart'".
           "They didn't work so well in the end, did they?"
           Her turn to blush, to feel her internal lift in freefall. People still sometimes told her she
           was beautiful but she knew she'd aged in the last year.

Or maybe you like to be enlightened about new worlds – well this book also educates a little in the ways of the law. And some of the behind-the-scenes foibles. Like the barristers who show off about the crates of wine they have delivered from clients, walking around being 'conspicuously pleased'. 'But,' says Clare, 'the client who says 'I'm going to give you a carpet' is most likely to end up sending you a bunch of dried flowers.'

As a woman at the Bar, she sometimes had a tough time – Clare's just written an article in The Mail on Sunday too. It's an absolutely fascinating insight into life at the Bar – where top bosses still treated women in an archaic way akin to 'Mad Men' – especially at the start of her 19-year career, which was spent learning how to listen out for a lie, battling against loud male colleagues – and males in general -  and finding good things in unlikely clients.

In the end Clare got fed up rushing into battle against the big booming voices. As she said in the Mail article 'In one trial, a male barrister co-defending with me stood up and repeated all my points verbatim – only louder. Everyone was acquitted, but it was he who the client singled out for praise. His type – aggressive and intimidating, and usually with a big signet ring – can often be found defending armed robbers or members of criminal families who ask their solicitor to select them ‘a proper barrister’. Recently I was told that a senior male barrister discounted the advice his female junior had given, in front of her, the solicitor and the client, on the grounds she was 'a slapper from Essex'.'

But Clare still made her mark in winning a change in maternity policy, and even came in for an annual meeting, breastfeeding her baby! A woman after my own heart.

It was a pleasure to chat to Clare – I particularly loved her story about how she got published – a vast contrast to the last blog I wrote about Elizabeth Chadwick. And her agent, Oliver Munson, is a charming chap who I also chatted to recently about all things publishing. Read on to find out more…

Debbie's chat with Clare Jacob
Ophelia in Pieces book cover I spoke to Clare just as she was 'nerve-wracked', awaiting her first reviews, including the all-important Times review due on June 18th. The book itself had taken over a year to be published, from when her agent, Oliver Munson from Blake Friedmann had first spotted her, and also she explained how it felt to be sitting looking at a pile of copies of her very first novel.

Having read through the first few chapters so far, it's charming and quite an original spin on a work-home drama for a working mother. As Clare is herself – but she is at pains to point out the book's not about her own life!

So how did your writing career begin?
It may sound funny, but I decided to become a criminal barrister almost as 'training' to be a writer. It certainly gave me some experience of life! My book pays homage to that world – but I have to emphasize, it's most certainly NOT autobiographical! I'm happily married and have three children aged 8 – 12. I gave up the Bar when I knew it was time to get my stories written.

How did you actually get your first novel published?
I'd written some short stories and poems – one of which was about a mother's relationship with her teenage son who comes home one day covered in blood. It turned out to be a fox's blood, but it highlighted the conflict between duty as a mother and duty as a lawyer.

I expanded it as I found I wanted to explore the conflict at work as well as home. There's almost nothing of that original inspiration in the book now, but it just grew and grew until it became a full length novel.

Did you do it alone or study?
City of London writing course I took a fabulous course at the City University – the Certificate in Novel Writing. It offers a unique opportunity to work on a novel in classes twice a week for a year, from the earliest stages through to revising and editing. The best thing was meeting a peer group who would form a valuable resource to help each other along – offering praise and critiques to each other without hurting each other's feelings or just saying everything's 'good' or 'fine', which family and friends tend to do.

How did you find your agent? The million dollar question, giving how vital an agent is nowadays in reaching publishers!
Well at the end of the course, City do an industry open evening – where the 12 of us each put in £20 and bought some wine, and invited several guests along. The course has built a reputation now, and quite a few agents actually attended. We each got to stand up to do our two-minute readings and we handed round a sheet with contact numbers on for them to take home.

Oli was one of the agents who were complimentary about my work – I remember just as I was leaving he told me he found it 'very accomplished'. Then I followed up afterwards. He was very kind and wanted to take it further – at our meetings he'd done a lot of research about the publishers he wanted to take it to whereas some of the others were a bit more vague and didn't feel the need to show you their process, as they're so used to authors chasing them.

I was impressed with Oli, and he further nailed it when just before the big important European book fair he said he'd like to take my book with him 'next week to Frankfurt'. That and being part of a big successful agency meant I signed up with them.

How long was it before you found a publisher? And what di d you have to do next?
Of course I had to finish the SFD as authors call it – it was the most horrible experience, writing the First Draft. The story changed so many times and in the end the problem was I was too in love with my material – an issue many authors face – and the draft I gave to Oli had several more minor characters, especially in the central third of the book.

He began putting it out to publishers and they commented that there were too many funny stories about subsidiary characters and it got in the way of advancing the plot. So many of them had to go – even ones Oli had loved! In the end we went with the publisher 'Short Books' who said they really liked it and once it was reworked there may be space to bring it out in a year.

They had just one more slot to fill and the lady at the publishers, Aurea, had loved the American TV show by HBO, 'The Good Wife'. The central character is a lawyer whose husband kept letting her down,  and Aurea thought my novel was similarly commercial. They were very helpful with the sub-editing process – every change was a clear improvement. They've also been great with publicity – for instance getting the Mail article – it all helps with a new author.

Are the publishers keen for a sequel?
Yes but I'm currently working on an idea for a historical novel with a trial theme – set in 1559. I'd been thinking about it for ages – it's about a feisty female prisoner of the inquisition – a Calvanist – whose desire for independence of thought and her obsession with her inquisitor make for an interesting court room drama of another age. One where the stakes are higher – it if all goes wrong she'll be burnt at the stake. It means a lot of research at the moment, at the British Library.

But a sequel to 'Ophelia…' may well follow after that. Who knows – I may even get to resurrect some of my beloved minor characters and their weird and wonderful stories!

And how does it feel, now finally to have your own book in print?
Well I've got a little stack of them at home – one of which I'll be signing for the winner of your competition!

I look at them with pride but also a sense of it being out in the world now, and no longer my baby – like I'm a contributor but it's no longer just mine – it has its own cover that the publishers created, it's being sold out in bookshops and online, and it's a product of what was a lengthy process to arrive at the end result I now hold in my hand. I'm immensely proud though.

Will you be doing many signings?
Several – but the funny thing is many of the bookshops have their hands a little tied right now, due to having to keep stocks low in store – one big bookshop near where I was visiting told me they only had four copies in store and they weren't allowed to order any more for a signing, so it wasn't worth doing one! Shame when that happens but with other events, reviews and all the social media, it's going to be busy. To buy the books, I tend to direct people towards Amazon (see review below).

Is it on Kindle?
It is, but I'm more a fan of print books myself. However, when I recently went back to my writing class to speak to new students, two days after the publishing date, two of the students there had already downloaded it and read it on their Kindles. So I'm sure it's a very important part of the market for the future.

And what do your family think now?
At first they were saying 'how can you give up the Bar? It's so silly – can't you get a proper job?' But now that the book's been accepted and published, they're all much more encouraging. My daughters are now doing stories of their own and they're all terribly proud.

And so they should be! Clare Jacob, good luck with it and thanks for talking to us!

Your chance to win a signed copy of 'Ophelia in Pieces'
Just leave a comment below – tell us what book you're currently reading, why you would or wouldn't use a Kindle, if you like law stories, or anything else you'd like to comment on. The winner will be chosen at random from all the comments left below by Friday 1st July, and announced on my blog on Thursday 7th July.

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For more information about Clare and her work, go to where you'll find Clare's list of book signings and appearances, as well as the latest reviews for her work.

Review for Clare's book on Amazon –
'Overall, I think this is a fantastic debut novel, and certainly opened my eyes to a new genre of books I usually wouldn't bother picking up. The courtroom drama adds a whole new perspective to a traditional women's fiction plotline of the wronged woman, and allows the book to branch out with much grittier topics too. The realistic characters, dramatic settings and plot twists and turns ensure the reader is rapt by the tale, and you will want to keep reading until the final page is finished. 'Ophelia in Pieces' is a well written, enjoyable story that I will definitely be recommending, especially to those who think they wouldn't normally like this sort of book – surprise yourself, just like I did! Fantastic.'


  1. Michelle Roberts June 17, 2011 at 10:14 am -  Reply

    Hello Debs, Like the look of Clare’s new book,not my normal cup of tea but i’m going to give it try, will look on line later to try and buy a copy.
    I’m afraid i like scary horror books, Stephen King is a favourite of mine, but now i am willing to try and expand and become more educated!! LOL
    Not sure about a Kindle, still like the feel of a real book, but you never know, i didn’t like computers not so long ago but look at me now!!
    Nice to read all your lovely comments.
    Take care
    Michelle X

  2. una June 17, 2011 at 3:30 pm -  Reply

    Hi Debbie.
    I have just ordered my copy of Clares book. I LOVED Silk and The Good Wife, sorry to see it ended last week.
    I,ve just had a few days away, needed to take some time out after losing a dear friend very suddenly. Read AGAIN P.s. I love you. Maybe not ideal reading material under the circumstances, but I found it comforting. Also re read Captain Corellis Mandolin, which brought back happy memories of a trip to the Greek Islands. happy days.
    Kindles???!!!! NO NO NO NO NO, theyre just WRONG. You HAVE to HOLD a book, and FEEL the pages, and be able to put a bookmark at your page, and SMELL the paper. If its one of these books, you just cant put down, and try to read it faster so you can turn the next page, how can you TURN a page on a kindle???!! When you finish a book you have loved reading, you HAVE to hold it close to your chest and breathe it in. You CANT cuddle a kindle!!

  3. Louise June 18, 2011 at 4:43 pm -  Reply

    Hi there Debs.
    As I have told you before, I’m more into factual tomes, but I think that Clare may be an author in the same vein as Elizabeth Chadwick, wiwth her second novel being a historical one, set in the 16th century. I really feel that I have got so much information and background experiences at hand, it would be a shame not to document it. I do want to pen something, it’s just making aa definitive decision and adhering to it! You’ve got to admire and respect professional women who, already with a career, go ahead and follow what they truly want to do, even with the possible risks involved, such as Clarer and yourself! I do hope to be able to join you on that list shortly.
    Guess who we – well, I say we, I live in Workington but work in Whitehaven – are playing host to at the maritime festival in whitehaven? The nutty boys – Madness -, Bananerama, Carol Decker. Jean Christophe Novelli is demonstrating as he did here just recently, and Sean Wilson – he played Martin Platt in Corrie – is representing his cheese company. Still, some of us do have to work. A band has just stopped drumming right outside the office window – thank goodness!
    Love from my babies to your’s, and you take care.

  4. Caz Jones June 18, 2011 at 10:00 pm -  Reply

    Hi Debs,
    I’m just reading a biography of Janis Joplin – bit different to Liz Chadwick lol, but very interesting. I have a very broad taste in books, but historical novels are one of my favs, and I’ve always been interested in the law. Clare’s book sounds really good, so will look forward to reading it.
    The only time I use my Kindle is when we go on holiday, and that is mainly due to the weight factor – you know how many books I can read in a week so just imagine the excess baggage charge lol. There’s nothing quite like holding a book though, and I love the smell of the paper, and the feel of the page in my hand.
    Fabulous blog as always :o)
    Caz xxx
    PS I’m now on my second lot of Easiyo Greek n Coconut and it’s absolutely divine, so thanks for the tip on the show xxxx

  5. debs f June 19, 2011 at 7:59 pm -  Reply

    michelle – glad you’re going to give it a go – specially as Clare’s book is not your ‘normal’ kind of book! Keep me informed!

  6. debs f June 19, 2011 at 8:03 pm -  Reply

    Una – so sorry to hear of your loss – thinking of you and of anyone else who has suffered similarly. One book I found helpful in dealing with my dad’s passing was ‘Conversations With God’. It’s not religious, so much as philosophical (I must admit the title put me off initially). I say read the trilogy – but begin with the second book. Read just the first 20 pages of it then return to begin book one. It helps contextualise it and show the impact book 1 had. I just love the philosophies contained within the pages of this work, it’s very clever, and helps you deal with ‘stuff’…
    Re kindle – love your phrase – you can’t cuddle a kindle!! lol. Know what you mean. I do think it’ll have a place in my life for certain books tho – like DVD’s that you rent instead of owning, you know?
    Thanks so much for leaving me a comment btw – much appreciated!

  7. Alyson Chapman June 21, 2011 at 10:54 am -  Reply

    Hello everyone, hope you’re having a great day.
    I’m currently reading Port Mortuary by Patricia Cornwell. She is one of my favourite authors and this book is fab; I can’t put it down. I’ve stopped watching TV in bed so that, hopefully, I can sleep better – but it’s not working as I was reading until after 2.00 am this morning!
    I don’t have a Kindle but would really love one as I have arthritis in my wrists and hands and I must admit I’m finding holding my hardback book a bit difficult. Did you know that you can download lots of free Kindle books onto your pc without actaully owning a Kindle? I’ve downloaded quite a few and will read them on my laptop until I get a Kindle of my own. xxx

  8. Alison June 21, 2011 at 6:26 pm -  Reply

    Hi-a fascinating interview with Clare. Her book sounds like one I’d really enjoy! I’m a real Kindle fan now and am currently reading a Janet Evanovich book-Sizzling Sixteen. It’s so funny-as is the whole series featuring Stephanie Plum the bounty hunter. I’m looking forward to downloading the new one-Smokin’ seventeen-before I go off to France on holiday next week!
    Happy reading to everyone,

  9. debs flint June 22, 2011 at 11:36 pm -  Reply

    Louise – do it! Remember that book by Harry Bingham – Getting Published!
    hope the festival outside your window wasn’t too disruptive!
    Keep me informed about your writing! I’m about to go away again – not with Rocker Nigel – that’s next week at Center Parcs! – but beginning of August with the Romantic novelists Association. But I WILL finish writing my first story this summer for sure!

  10. debs flint June 22, 2011 at 11:39 pm -  Reply

    Caz – glad you like the Greek n coconut! If I had my way I’d give some to Peter Andre to try when he’s in – think he’d love it!
    I’m same as you with Kindle – great for saving luggage weight!
    and let me know what you think of Clare’s book ok?

  11. debs flint June 22, 2011 at 11:41 pm -  Reply

    Alyson C –
    Patricia Cornwell is very successful isn’t she – what makes her books so appealing for you? Just out of interest.
    I think you’d appreciate the light weight of the kindle hon for sure.
    Know what you mean about reading till too late – the birds started singing when I finally put book down the other night – Clare’s book of course! I’ll probably finish it when I’m away next week.
    best wishes

  12. debs flint June 22, 2011 at 11:44 pm -  Reply

    Alison – hope your holiday was great and weather wasn’t like it was here!
    Know what you mean about kindle being easy to download onto – it’s like ‘I want that book’ – ten minutes later there it is! (with 3G kindle anyway) – having your very own book genie!
    Out of interest – what genre is the sixteen and seventeen range – YA? (young adult?) or what? sounds like a good read!
    I’m spoilt for choice with all these recommendations!

  13. Alison June 23, 2011 at 5:27 pm -  Reply

    Hey Debbie,
    The books I mentioned by Janet Evanovich are part of a much bigger series all featuring Stephanie Plum, a somewhat ineffectual bounty hunter working in New Jersey. She works for her cousin Vinnie and her sidekick is Lulu.She has 2 men on the go-Joe Morelli, the detective and Ranger, who is a bit of a mystery! The series started with “One for the Money” and goes onto “Two for the Dough” etc.
    They’re comedy/thrillers-I’ve laughed out loud at them more than once!! I really recommend them as a light humourous read.
    Of course I love other styles of book also-thrillers/historical fiction and also modern fiction-most stuff in fact with the exception of sci-fi.
    Good luck with your writing,

  14. Caz Jones June 23, 2011 at 8:27 pm -  Reply

    Hi Debs,
    I lurve the Greek and Coconut…shame I’ve got none left or I could have sent you some to let Peter Andre try lol…I hope QVC do a multi-pack of them sometime soon cos I could eat it every day! (My strawberries are doing well btw, and I’ve now bought a tomato plant, a red pepper plant and a chilli plant – ooh get me Percy Thrower hahaha).
    If I manage to get hold of Clare’s book I’ll definitely let you know what I think once I’ve read it…might even see if I can download it onto my Kindle, but there again…
    Have a great week and weekend and a fabulous time in Center Parcs,
    Caz xxx

  15. Julie Q June 29, 2011 at 8:22 am -  Reply

    Hi Debbie
    Another great blog on the writing theme. Legal themed books are real favorites and I’ll definitely get a copy of Clare’s book. Michael Connelly’s stories are brilliant and really unputdownable. I don’t have a Kindle yet – I’m very much with Una as the whole sensory experience of holding a book is part of the pleasure for me.
    My other great love in reading is about France and I’m currently reading The Winter Ghosts by Kate Mosse. It’s a haunting story set in southern France.
    Sometimes we all need to escape from the pressures of our lives and fiction allows me to do this. I’m then able to go back to things with a better frame of mind!
    Thanks again for all your lovely blogs.

  16. debs July 7, 2011 at 3:19 am -  Reply

    Julie Q – sounds like a good little library you’ve got there! And well done to Caz J who was the winner of our competition!

  17. Caz J July 8, 2011 at 11:00 am -  Reply

    Thanks Debs!
    I was thrilled when I heard that I’d won and can’t wait for the book to arrive!
    Have a great time in Caerleon for the Romantic Novelists’ Association conference, and cya when you get back,
    Thanks again,
    Caz xxx

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